The question is who defines the norms. For example, in Germany, there was a time when sex crimes were legally considered "crimes against public morality", and providing a shared bed to unmarried couples was against the law. Now, the same crimes are considered "crimes against sexual self-determination", and most things that involve consenting partners have been made legal. So if the law has changed, that is pretty strong evidence that the agreed-upon standards of what is acceptable also have.

  • Joh replied to this.

    Ines Maybe it's a language nuance, but in Spanish we have a subtle difference between "frequent" and "normal".
    Sometimes they are synonyms, but they have the subtle difference that "normal" also implies "acceptability" or "convenience" of that action.
    Living together without being married may be "frequent" but I don't think that's "normal" either.

    With this detail explanation how you see it I can understand your view. I do not agree but I can accept it.

    Angelina i would be careful with that. in germany a large majority were nazis once and that is definitely not normal.

    As sadly as it is it was normal at this time. Fortunately, this is no longer the case, although we have too many of them in Germany again.

    Angelina everyone should have their own opinion and i let @HHelen have her opinion too, i just don't share it.

    I have no problem with other opinion if it stated as their opinion and not as a general fact.

    youdontknowme Now, the same crimes are considered "crimes against sexual self-determination", and most things that involve consenting partners have been made legal.

    The important part is "consenting partners" we should have this in mind when we talk about sexual self-determination.

    youdontknowme So if the law has changed, that is pretty strong evidence that the agreed-upon standards of what is acceptable also have.

    I agree.

      Joh Fortunately, this is no longer the case, although we have too many of them in Germany again.

      Hang on, a good number of my friends are nazis.

      Zero. The best number of nazis to have in your circle of friends.

      • Joh replied to this.

        Joh With this detail explanation how you see it I can understand your view. I do not agree but I can accept it.

        I used translator! 🤭

        • Joh replied to this.

          Ines he has said that she does not see it as normal for a couple to live together before getting married.

          Such opinion is not too rare. My parents think the same

            Ines If the sentence is too complicated I use one as well. Great invention.

            Laura Such opinion is not too rare. My parents think the same

            I have the impression this view have more people now than decades earlier.

            HHelen She shouldn't live with a guy without marriage

            Even if she wears a belt?

              Kaja You live in medieval ages.

              Can you elaborate, please?

              Renita Even if she wears a belt?

              It doesn't make sense.

                Renita
                In my opinion it does not matter, the question is not about if she wears a chastity belt, but about they are not married.

                  Angelina both partners in a relationship usually want to have sex

                  They do, but should behave differently.

                  HHelen It doesn't make sense.

                  It guarantees no sex.

                  Ines but about they are not married.

                  What's a difference?

                  Angelina why doesn't that make sense? I do not quite understand

                  I can't live with a guy without sex.

                    Well, I am going to delete post about politics here, first, my post.

                    HHelen I can't live with a guy without sex.

                    You can if you consistently wear a chastity belt. 😉

                      Joh Or he is gay.

                      haha, I hadn't thought of that at all, but you're right 😉

                      HHelen I can't live with a guy without sex.

                      Why not? Why can't you control yourself? Have you spoken to a doctor or therapist about this?

                      Men have a right to feel safe too!

                        Angelina You can if you consistently wear a chastity belt

                        I don't support this idea.

                        Joh Or he is gay

                        Even worse.

                        Sin Why can't you control yourself?

                        I can, but I wouldn't live together with guy.

                          HHelen Even worse.

                          Why? You can be sure he has no sexual interest. All his reaction is caused from the situation not from any sexual demand.

                          HHelen but I wouldn't live together with guy.

                          Than live with a women.