Kaja And do you see problem in honor killing?
I'm against violence.
Angelina over 90% of all couples live together before the wedding, this is completely normal.
They do, but it's not normal.
Angelina So you would marry a man with whom you have not lived before?
If you live with him already, why should you marry him at all?
Kaja
Please, even you are right in a lot of statements, you have you have to reduce your aggressiveness.
I can understand that certain topics may have a more vehement response, but, in this case, she has said that she does not see it as normal for a couple to live together before getting married.
You can not answer that by labeling the person as not normal.
What he has said is not an aberration, you can refute it, of course, but his opinion is perfectly respectable.
Joh
Maybe it's a language nuance, but in Spanish we have a subtle difference between "frequent" and "normal".
Sometimes they are synonyms, but they have the subtle difference that "normal" also implies "acceptability" or "convenience" of that action.
Living together without being married may be "frequent" but I don't think that's "normal" either.
HHelen They do, but it's not normal.
of course it's normal. living with someone is different from meeting only a few times a week. many couples want to test this before the wedding.
HHelen If you live with him already, why should you marry him at all?
because a wedding is a promise of love, a move is not
Joh In this case when 90% of the couples live together before they marriage it is normal.
i would be careful with that. in germany a large majority were nazis once and that is definitely not normal. i would say normal is a problematic word. everyone should have their own opinion and i let @HHelen have her opinion too, i just don't share it.
The question is who defines the norms. For example, in Germany, there was a time when sex crimes were legally considered "crimes against public morality", and providing a shared bed to unmarried couples was against the law. Now, the same crimes are considered "crimes against sexual self-determination", and most things that involve consenting partners have been made legal. So if the law has changed, that is pretty strong evidence that the agreed-upon standards of what is acceptable also have.
Ines Maybe it's a language nuance, but in Spanish we have a subtle difference between "frequent" and "normal".
Sometimes they are synonyms, but they have the subtle difference that "normal" also implies "acceptability" or "convenience" of that action.
Living together without being married may be "frequent" but I don't think that's "normal" either.
With this detail explanation how you see it I can understand your view. I do not agree but I can accept it.
Angelina i would be careful with that. in germany a large majority were nazis once and that is definitely not normal.
As sadly as it is it was normal at this time. Fortunately, this is no longer the case, although we have too many of them in Germany again.
I have no problem with other opinion if it stated as their opinion and not as a general fact.
youdontknowme Now, the same crimes are considered "crimes against sexual self-determination", and most things that involve consenting partners have been made legal.
The important part is "consenting partners" we should have this in mind when we talk about sexual self-determination.
youdontknowme So if the law has changed, that is pretty strong evidence that the agreed-upon standards of what is acceptable also have.
I agree.
Joh Fortunately, this is no longer the case, although we have too many of them in Germany again.
Hang on, a good number of my friends are nazis.
Zero. The best number of nazis to have in your circle of friends.
youdontknowme I agree. Zero is the best.
Nobody of my friends are nazis.
Angelina both partners in a relationship usually want to have sex
They do, but should behave differently.
Well, I am going to delete post about politics here, first, my post.
