Ines Qold question... is oral / anal sex a sin if it happens beflre marriage... there are different and very controversoal answers to this qjedtion, in my opinion:

  1. It is a sin because all the sluttines that comes by it was made by the devil
  2. It is a sin because sex before marriage is a sin in general
  3. It isn't a sin because there is no chance to become pregnant. This answer is based in the belief that sex before marriage is only a sin because there is no 100% safety of pregnancy before marriage what can easily lead to a child having no married parents / only one parent or him /her being killed (abortion)
  4. It is a sin because sexual amusememt is only to be shared berween married persons ... what would also reduce the desire to cheat is the beloved husband / wife is not as good in bed as you would wish him to be ... whenconly having had sex with one person you can't compere it to others.

So the answer is a yes and no. Maybe it's better to be safe in being a good person, this related tl the ones who give, but also to the ones who recieve this kind of sex, to relinquish habing these variations of sex. Still, because it is am indefinite answer ... it won't be a very bad sin, rather a help to be safed from the desire of comitting a sin.

      LoonyMel

      LoonyMel Well, church made the rules.. If it is a sin for their rules, then it is a sin for those who follow the rules of said religion

      All true, but the church was made by men. So follow Jesus. He saved the adulteress from those who would stone her and reproached them "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and simply told the adulteress "go thy way and sin no more". So let's be on the lookout for those who cast stones.

            Max9 In the Catholic church oral/anal is a sin also for those who are married because it does not serve God's purpose that sex is for procreation.

              Jen I don't think any guy here would accept to do nothing sexual until marriage

              You shouldn't let him

                Avery

                Well but Jesus and the whole gospel thing was made up by those same man at Nicea.
                They decided what to keep as "truth" and what to regard as "heresy".
                They decided "this thing they said about Jesus is useful, let's keep it" and "this thing they said is damaging for our power, let's pretend Jesus never did it".

                If I do not trust men, I cannot even trust something that was written and selected b those same men and was presented as God words by those same men again.

                    LoonyMel

                    LoonyMel Well but Jesus and the whole gospel thing was made up by those same man at Nicea.

                    Indeed, you know your church history. But I try to maintain in my head an impression of what Jesus himself was like and, son of God or not, what he would have thought and said. Then I do what I think he would have wanted me to do, which is treat people decently. Also I enjoy the organ music in church.

                          Avery

                          Not a bad way to live your life. You have your own image of God and try to live a good life. My partner an I try to do the same except without an image of any God.

                            Max9
                            No, anal or oral sex is ever a sin. Sex is not a sin only when it is done thinking in procreation.
                            Since, obviously, you can not procreate with oral sex, it is always a sin not matter if it is done after of before marriage.
                            Pagan! 😆

                                Ines Sex is not a sin only when it is done thinking in procreation.

                                Goodness, how many kids are you planning on having?! "Making love" doesn't have to mean "making babies"!!

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                                    Ines No, anal or oral sex is ever a sin. Sex is not a sin only when it is done thinking in procreation.

                                    then, as modern woman you are, are you going to play chance of being pregnant every time you are released? 😝
                                    I think that can make more than 4 brothers in your fertile life....

                                    jaque mate 🤣

                                        Ines

                                        Ines No, anal or oral sex is ever a sin. Sex is not a sin only when it is done thinking in procreation.

                                        What if one marries a man and finds he wants these things (anal and/or oral). If one has promised to be obedient to one's husband does this not pose a dilemma?

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                                              Sin
                                              It is Church, not me!
                                              I was talking about doctrine, @Sin , not about my opinion.

                                              Maximus

                                              I insist, @Max9 , made a statement about Church Doctrine that it was not true. And I simply said that non-procreative (?) sex is always sin for the Church.
                                              I said somewhere in last days, that I am Catholic but not idiot, and I am sure that God has another bigger worries.

                                              Avery If one has promised to be obedient to one's husband does this not pose a dilemma?

                                              No, since he asks you to make a sin. Similar if he asks kill a person.

                                                      it's true, I found you already said something in the other "less strict" way.. but coming here and reading the latest messages...

                                                      Ines I am Catholic, but I am not a lamb, I am sure that God does not care if I ,(sorry I do not talk this way usually), kneel in front of my man as symbol of my love... You understand me...

                                                      I don't support all the arbitrary rules of church which went outdated, but if the rules are there.. why somes are not valid and others yes? instead of just ignore all the rules which are outdated?
                                                      I was talking about something similar with a very religious person, as time passed and some things before were a sin, and later not.. who says something still classified as sin/inappropriate should or will change to appropriate?

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                                                          Ines Church Doctrine

                                                          Church doctrines are just interpretations of the will of god. They have often contradicted themlselves over time when a new pope got electred who had slightly different views.

                                                          That's why my 5 variatons for justifications are something you can think about.

                                                              Thank you for the compliment. I studied church history for one of my tests in my university. That study is... Well... Interesting to say the least.

                                                                Maximus I was talking about something similar with a very religious person, as time passed and some things before were a sin, and later not.. who says something still classified as sin/inappropriate should or will change to appropriate?

                                                                I am religious, but not very religious, I am not a fundamentalist, and I can understand that something will change, and, even, something have changed.
                                                                Obviously "love the neighbor as yourself" will not change, but some positions about sex, of course will change.

                                                                Maximus who says something still classified as sin/inappropriate should or will change to appropriate?

                                                                As I said, they will change.

                                                                And, obviously all of us are weak, and we make sins everyday, and that does not make us less person and bad Christian. We have to recognize it and try to be better. I do not follow all precepts, some of them because I am weak or lazy (I do not go to the Church every holy day for example) and another because I think that some precepts are sons of their time, and simply they are not still changed.
                                                                For example, the other day I read that with the law in the hand, is legal, in York, to kill a Scottish man if he has a bow. .. Obviously is a norm not very well suited to current times...

                                                                      Max9

                                                                      Objection!

                                                                      First of all because your position are all church doctrines and not based on "the word of God", since he never talked so specifically about marriage and single parents.
                                                                      And even if, word of God is something selected by church doctrine even before a single soul could reach the Bible. So there is no way that someone who lves today could reach the original word.

                                                                      Second, and most crucial, because you presented us four cases and not five as you say now!

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                                                                          Avery It's there to help guys keep an accurate count of how many virgins they've deflowered.

                                                                          I never figured out why should deflowering be important.

                                                                          I think from ancient time coming the husband needed to know from whom the child is. So the introduced this kind of condition that a women should be virgin when she marries. With the time this was still extended and taken over by the Christian faith communities around the supremacy of the man to guarantee.
                                                                          There is no documentation from the time of Jesus nor did he ever write anything down. That was written by the apostles later. Everything from memory with interpretations. Over the millennia it was changed, interpreted, adapted to the situation, etc.. What we have today is certainly not what was said then or what happened.

                                                                          Avery Then I do what I think he would have wanted me to do, which is treat people decently.

                                                                          That's a good motto. I can fully support it and leave the rest out of religion.