What Are Attitudes Toward ...

Laura

Avery I see, I wonder whether these attitudes are based on religion or culture or what

Mostly family tradition

Sin I don't even remember having one tbh.

Have you ever seen a gyn?

Avery

Laura

Laura Mostly family tradition

Thanks. I do seek to understand this better.

Sin

Laura yes.
I remember what happened (wakeboarding 😖), but I mean I don't really remember what it was like prior to that, and I never really considered it as something I "lost" at that particular point in time. I certainly don't consider it anything even remotely sexual. It was just another sporting injury (of which there were lots!).

For my parents it's not the physical state of having a hymen in place that's important, it's your actions and behaviour.

Vanessa

Sin For my parents it's not the physical state of having a hymen in place that's important, it's your actions and behaviour.

Better this way.

Foxies

No consensus about it,so?Not even a theory that is accepted by most scientists?

HHelen For the parents' convenience.

I agree,intact hymen is often more important for parents than for daughter.

LoonyMel Better to stick to the mindset than to the physical factor.

I agree.

Ines kneel in front of my man as symbol of my love...

After marriage only?

Jen

We have some voluntary male wearers,so,probably,they would wait.

Ines For example, the other day I read that with the law in the hand, is legal, in York, to kill a Scottish man if he has a bow. .. Obviously is a norm not very well suited to current times...

There is several laws such this one,some from old times,and some totally absurd,in almost all countries!😉

Sin

Avery I was happy to read your last sentence. As a somewhat religious person I would follow what I believe is God's teaching

My understanding of religion is that it's what's in your heart that matters, not between your legs. 🙂

Avery

Sin I think if you follow "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" you're golden. Think of a world where everybody did that.

Separately, watching American football right now the Philadelphia Eagles kicker is a guy named Arryn Siposs who was born in Melbourne, Australia. Once played for the Dandenong Victoria Stingrays

Sin

Avery I think if you follow "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" you're golden. Think of a world where everybody did that.

Good call. :-)
I know nothing about Australian football let alone American football! I'm from the other side of the country. The only stingrays we have are likely to kill you!

Tonyand03

This thread has reminded me of something I've wondered about.
What is the purpose of a hymen? I'm not religious so 'It's God's way of helping to keep you pure' type answers mean nothing to me, but does a hymen have a practical function? Is it a leftover feature like the coccyx? Perhaps @Foxies can enlighten us?

Sin

Tonyand03 What is the purpose of a hymen?

It's just cling wrap for your vagina to keep things smelling nice and fresh. Once you pop it it's like BAM! Fish guts forever. 😁

Foxies

Tonyand03

Thanks for thinking of me as some sort of oracle on this. 😀

Alas, I am afraid I am as in the dark as all of you. I have read several theories (such as it can help keep bacteria our which might convey some evolutionary advantage to the human female) but none are very convincing to me. The jury is still out so far as I know in the scientific communities.

HHelen

Avery I am particularly interested in people's attitudes concerning forced sex, e.g. rape, incest, and how they relate to chastity and virginity.

Or "occasionally" as it usually happens.

Tonyand03 but does a hymen have a practical function?

For the parents' convenience.

Tonyand03

Sin Not sure I'm TOTALLY convinced, but it's certainly a very eloquent explanation.

LoonyMel

Tonyand03

There is not a distinct purpose, it is a matter of debate still now.
Ancient people believed it was all magic and stuff, then religious people believed some stuff which was copied from that (like all religions, just the adaptation of ancient superstitions).
Some girls have it, some do not, some notice when it goes, some do not.

It is like giving power and a mythology to an appendix with no purpose whatsoever because "people told you so".

Behavior over physical form all the way.

Tonyand03

LoonyMel But still, what is/was it actually for?

Avery

It's there to help guys keep an accurate count of how many virgins they've deflowered.

Tonyand03

Avery Yeah, I always carve another notch on the bedpost.

Joh

Avery It's there to help guys keep an accurate count of how many virgins they've deflowered.

I never figured out why should deflowering be important.

I think from ancient time coming the husband needed to know from whom the child is. So the introduced this kind of condition that a women should be virgin when she marries. With the time this was still extended and taken over by the Christian faith communities around the supremacy of the man to guarantee.
There is no documentation from the time of Jesus nor did he ever write anything down. That was written by the apostles later. Everything from memory with interpretations. Over the millennia it was changed, interpreted, adapted to the situation, etc.. What we have today is certainly not what was said then or what happened.

Avery Then I do what I think he would have wanted me to do, which is treat people decently.

That's a good motto. I can fully support it and leave the rest out of religion.

Angelina

Avery

I have not read all the answers and frankly it took me three times to understand the question. 😂

from a purely physical point of view, this person is no longer a virgin, but perhaps it is possible to have the hymen restored at the cost of health insurance, at least if one attaches importance to it. from a psychological point of view, this girl is of course still a virgin, it is not her fault that her virginity was taken from her by force.

I think couples should talk openly with each other, especially if it is very important to one partner that the girl is still a virgin, as I said, maybe this can be restored.

I hope I have understood the question correctly

Avery

Angelina This person thanks you for responding

Tonyand03

Foxies Thanks for that, Foxies. Maybe it really is God's way of helping to keep you pure.

Ines

HHelen For the parents' convenience.

And not only.
I do not think of myself as a radical, but I like keep my hymen inside me.
It is a symbol, and as all symbols, it is important.

LoonyMel

Ines

Symbols are important but prone to idolatry: being tied to hymen could not be really meaningful. Better to stick to the mindset than to the physical factor.

Differently from the past with all superstitions and magical stuff, today we know for sure (and we have even some examples in this discussion) that it could be lost even by accident. Or with time. Or it could be even miss from the start. Basically it is no more an accurate virginity indicator, it is just... A symbol of luck? Is like knees which never got bruised while playing.
It doesn't even get lacerated for sure by intercourse: intact hymen does not ensure the absence of sex as much as a lacerated one does not mean that the deed was done.

But the rules are rules. No hymen, no virginity.
And sex has no exclusive on that.
...does that means that physical virginity is an hoax?
I think it is a surpassed symbol as much as a flat Earth model.

We really need a clearer definition. We must understand if virginity means purity and abstention or just having an intact membrane which relates to sex but not always.

Ines

LoonyMel We really need a clearer definition. We must understand if virginity means purity and abstention or just having an intact membrane which relates to sex but not always.

I can understand your approach, and even we share some points, but in general I so not agree with you.
I will not discuss about the social construction about the hymen, it is true, but it is a good construction and quite accurate. It is true that some girls do not lose their hymen when they are deflowered, or more usually do not lose all the membrane, but in general, hymen is teared with it. It is true that some girls can lose it accidentally, but again they are exceptional, not normal.
Hymen is the symbol of purity and even we can not make the symbol more important than purity, (if a virgin is raped, for me she is still virgin), we can not give away all the importance to the symbol.
I know that my opinion is mine and I do not want export it, and I know my opinion is founded in my own feeling and principles and not in an universal science, but my moral makes me value the virginity. I think that a good girl should not have any kind of sex before marriage, and, we came back to the symbol, a girl that touches herself can maintain her hymen intact, but she is not virgin anymore, or maybe, if I am generous I can consider her a "second division" virgin.
It is not science, it is not mathematics, it is only my values.
If you allow me a funny comparison... snooze with a big open mouth, obviously does not harm anyone, does not make bad to environment... and however, I do not like it, and I will not make it ever.

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