What Are Attitudes Toward ...
Well but Jesus and the whole gospel thing was made up by those same man at Nicea.
They decided what to keep as "truth" and what to regard as "heresy".
They decided "this thing they said about Jesus is useful, let's keep it" and "this thing they said is damaging for our power, let's pretend Jesus never did it".
If I do not trust men, I cannot even trust something that was written and selected b those same men and was presented as God words by those same men again.
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LoonyMel Well but Jesus and the whole gospel thing was made up by those same man at Nicea.
Indeed, you know your church history. But I try to maintain in my head an impression of what Jesus himself was like and, son of God or not, what he would have thought and said. Then I do what I think he would have wanted me to do, which is treat people decently. Also I enjoy the organ music in church.
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Ines No, anal or oral sex is ever a sin. Sex is not a sin only when it is done thinking in procreation.
then, as modern woman you are, are you going to play chance of being pregnant every time you are released? 
I think that can make more than 4 brothers in your fertile life....
jaque mate 
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It is Church, not me!
I was talking about doctrine, @Sin , not about my opinion.
I insist, @Max9 , made a statement about Church Doctrine that it was not true. And I simply said that non-procreative (?) sex is always sin for the Church.
I said somewhere in last days, that I am Catholic but not idiot, and I am sure that God has another bigger worries.
Avery If one has promised to be obedient to one's husband does this not pose a dilemma?
No, since he asks you to make a sin. Similar if he asks kill a person.
it's true, I found you already said something in the other "less strict" way.. but coming here and reading the latest messages...
Ines I am Catholic, but I am not a lamb, I am sure that God does not care if I ,(sorry I do not talk this way usually), kneel in front of my man as symbol of my love... You understand me...
I don't support all the arbitrary rules of church which went outdated, but if the rules are there.. why somes are not valid and others yes? instead of just ignore all the rules which are outdated?
I was talking about something similar with a very religious person, as time passed and some things before were a sin, and later not.. who says something still classified as sin/inappropriate should or will change to appropriate?
Maximus I was talking about something similar with a very religious person, as time passed and some things before were a sin, and later not.. who says something still classified as sin/inappropriate should or will change to appropriate?
I am religious, but not very religious, I am not a fundamentalist, and I can understand that something will change, and, even, something have changed.
Obviously "love the neighbor as yourself" will not change, but some positions about sex, of course will change.
Maximus who says something still classified as sin/inappropriate should or will change to appropriate?
As I said, they will change.
And, obviously all of us are weak, and we make sins everyday, and that does not make us less person and bad Christian. We have to recognize it and try to be better. I do not follow all precepts, some of them because I am weak or lazy (I do not go to the Church every holy day for example) and another because I think that some precepts are sons of their time, and simply they are not still changed.
For example, the other day I read that with the law in the hand, is legal, in York, to kill a Scottish man if he has a bow. .. Obviously is a norm not very well suited to current times...
Objection!
First of all because your position are all church doctrines and not based on "the word of God", since he never talked so specifically about marriage and single parents.
And even if, word of God is something selected by church doctrine even before a single soul could reach the Bible. So there is no way that someone who lves today could reach the original word.
Second, and most crucial, because you presented us four cases and not five as you say now!
Avery It's there to help guys keep an accurate count of how many virgins they've deflowered.
I never figured out why should deflowering be important.
I think from ancient time coming the husband needed to know from whom the child is. So the introduced this kind of condition that a women should be virgin when she marries. With the time this was still extended and taken over by the Christian faith communities around the supremacy of the man to guarantee.
There is no documentation from the time of Jesus nor did he ever write anything down. That was written by the apostles later. Everything from memory with interpretations. Over the millennia it was changed, interpreted, adapted to the situation, etc.. What we have today is certainly not what was said then or what happened.
Avery Then I do what I think he would have wanted me to do, which is treat people decently.
That's a good motto. I can fully support it and leave the rest out of religion.
I'll take spirituality over religion any day. ;-)
