Avery It's there to help guys keep an accurate count of how many virgins they've deflowered.

I never figured out why should deflowering be important.

I think from ancient time coming the husband needed to know from whom the child is. So the introduced this kind of condition that a women should be virgin when she marries. With the time this was still extended and taken over by the Christian faith communities around the supremacy of the man to guarantee.
There is no documentation from the time of Jesus nor did he ever write anything down. That was written by the apostles later. Everything from memory with interpretations. Over the millennia it was changed, interpreted, adapted to the situation, etc.. What we have today is certainly not what was said then or what happened.

Avery Then I do what I think he would have wanted me to do, which is treat people decently.

That's a good motto. I can fully support it and leave the rest out of religion.

        I'll take spirituality over religion any day. ;-)

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          Joh

          Joh I never figured out why should deflowering be important.

          I'm sure your historical interpretation is correct. Anecdotally, when I was in high school certainly, and even now that I'm in university, being the first to screw a girl is an ego thing, an affirmation of the guy's charm or studliness. He was able to get the girl to do something with him she had declined to do with anyone else. But I'm sure you are right, before reliable birth control guys had to be sure the child was theirs, so virginity before marriage was very important.

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                Avery But I'm sure you are right, before reliable birth control guys had to be sure the child was theirs, so virginity before marriage was very important.

                So it is an anachronism what has no sense nowadays.

                    Joh

                    Joh So it is an anachronism what has no sense nowadays.

                    Not to people who scrupulously follow the teachings of many religions and feel that (virginity 'til marriage) is the way people should live their lives. It's a risk I wouldn't take but I respect the right of people to do it.

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                          Avery Not to people who scrupulously follow the teachings of many religions and feel that (virginity 'til marriage) is the way people should live their lives. It's a risk I wouldn't take but I respect the right of people to do it.

                          Every adult can decide for himself what he thinks is right or wrong. Nevertheless, everyone should inform themselves in detail and only then make their decision. Apart from that, there is again a big difference between the Christian church and the Christian faith. This is often not congruent.

                              Sin For my parents it's not the physical state of having a hymen in place that's important, it's your actions and behaviour.

                              Better this way.

                              Foxies

                              No consensus about it,so?Not even a theory that is accepted by most scientists?

                              HHelen For the parents' convenience.

                              I agree,intact hymen is often more important for parents than for daughter.

                              LoonyMel Better to stick to the mindset than to the physical factor.

                              I agree.

                              Ines kneel in front of my man as symbol of my love...

                              After marriage only?

                              Jen

                              We have some voluntary male wearers,so,probably,they would wait.

                              Ines For example, the other day I read that with the law in the hand, is legal, in York, to kill a Scottish man if he has a bow. .. Obviously is a norm not very well suited to current times...

                              There is several laws such this one,some from old times,and some totally absurd,in almost all countries!😉

                                              Avery What then is the value of faith?

                                              Sorry, I don't understand you question. What are you trying to get at?

                                                  Avery What then is the value of faith?

                                                  Many would argue there isn't any.

                                                      Vanessa We have some voluntary male wearers,so,probably,they would wait.

                                                      ,😄I meant here where I live not on the forum

                                                          Avery What then is the value of faith?

                                                          Now I get it.
                                                          This is individually different and lies in the eye of the observer.
                                                          I don't see any, but you seem to see value in it.

                                                              Joh

                                                              Joh Sorry, I don't understand you question. What are you trying to get at?

                                                              You I think are arguing that people should investigate things and decide on the facts. I agree with you. But people in my faith, Roman Catholic, believe things simply because they are articles of faith. There is no evidence that Mary, the Mother of Jesus, was a virgin but millions fervently believe it. I'm sure she was a nice lady, though.

                                                                  Joh

                                                                  Joh I don't see any, but you seem to see value in it.

                                                                  Sometimes. I have faith there actually was a man called Jesus who went around saying cool stuff like "love thy neighbor". But I'm not sure his mother was a virgin.

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                                                                        Sin Many would argue there isn't any.

                                                                        I know. That's why I started wearing a belt.

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                                                                              Avery It is not sure he lived at all and she was a virgin in a allegorical way and not in reality.
                                                                              That's the problem after long time. So many interpretation and changes in the language.

                                                                                Avery The belt is helping you with your faith?