Avery Not to people who scrupulously follow the teachings of many religions and feel that (virginity 'til marriage) is the way people should live their lives. It's a risk I wouldn't take but I respect the right of people to do it.

Every adult can decide for himself what he thinks is right or wrong. Nevertheless, everyone should inform themselves in detail and only then make their decision. Apart from that, there is again a big difference between the Christian church and the Christian faith. This is often not congruent.

      Sin For my parents it's not the physical state of having a hymen in place that's important, it's your actions and behaviour.

      Better this way.

      Foxies

      No consensus about it,so?Not even a theory that is accepted by most scientists?

      HHelen For the parents' convenience.

      I agree,intact hymen is often more important for parents than for daughter.

      LoonyMel Better to stick to the mindset than to the physical factor.

      I agree.

      Ines kneel in front of my man as symbol of my love...

      After marriage only?

      Jen

      We have some voluntary male wearers,so,probably,they would wait.

      Ines For example, the other day I read that with the law in the hand, is legal, in York, to kill a Scottish man if he has a bow. .. Obviously is a norm not very well suited to current times...

      There is several laws such this one,some from old times,and some totally absurd,in almost all countries!😉

                      Avery What then is the value of faith?

                      Sorry, I don't understand you question. What are you trying to get at?

                          Avery What then is the value of faith?

                          Many would argue there isn't any.

                              Vanessa We have some voluntary male wearers,so,probably,they would wait.

                              ,😄I meant here where I live not on the forum

                                  Avery What then is the value of faith?

                                  Now I get it.
                                  This is individually different and lies in the eye of the observer.
                                  I don't see any, but you seem to see value in it.

                                      Joh

                                      Joh Sorry, I don't understand you question. What are you trying to get at?

                                      You I think are arguing that people should investigate things and decide on the facts. I agree with you. But people in my faith, Roman Catholic, believe things simply because they are articles of faith. There is no evidence that Mary, the Mother of Jesus, was a virgin but millions fervently believe it. I'm sure she was a nice lady, though.

                                          Joh

                                          Joh I don't see any, but you seem to see value in it.

                                          Sometimes. I have faith there actually was a man called Jesus who went around saying cool stuff like "love thy neighbor". But I'm not sure his mother was a virgin.

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                                                Sin

                                                Sin Many would argue there isn't any.

                                                I know. That's why I started wearing a belt.

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                                                      Avery It is not sure he lived at all and she was a virgin in a allegorical way and not in reality.
                                                      That's the problem after long time. So many interpretation and changes in the language.

                                                        Avery The belt is helping you with your faith?

                                                            Joh I used to think I could walk about the streets in safety. Boys would chat me up but I never thought I was in any danger (I had faith in my fellow man.) That all changed when people did hurt me so now I wear a belt and place my faith in that.

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                                                                Avery
                                                                That makes sense.
                                                                I had understood you to be referring to the Christian faith and not in general.

                                                                  Vanessa I agree,intact hymen is often more important for parents than for daughter.

                                                                  Unless she knows it can be inspected.

                                                                      HHelen

                                                                      HHelen Unless she knows it can be inspected.

                                                                      There's a new outrage, right up there with supervised showers and fathers installing chastity bras after making their daughters strip to the waist.

                                                                            Avery Tell me, did they ever settle the question of whether insurance would cover it?

                                                                            I once read that the insurance companies do not normally cover such things, but it could look different if the hymen was destroyed by rape.